ALL SECULAR PAKISTANIS NEED TO UNITE 

Family of the Heart - DIALOGUE & DISCUSSIONS 

 Dear FOTH Friends:

 

I have not followed the current discussion on FOTH under the title of “All Secular Pakistanis need to unite”. I fail to see why the Seculars need to unite? Why not all unite and work together, why divide? What are the Seculars expected to accomplish after uniting? The groups being addressed live in Canada which is already a secular country. So what is this all about? I did read Dr. Khalid Sohaill’s post #1, but it failed to generate any enthusiasm for me to follow the discussion. I fail to see its socio-economic impact on people in Canada. Also, I do not see its possible application in Pakistan of today, while the country is going through an economical upheaval and socio-political turmoil with religious extremism left over from 1980s Soviet-Afghan war and now rejuvenated by the Bush-Neocon ‘war of terror’.

 

A friend pointed out post #58, by Mr. Joyce on an entirely different subject, ‘imperialism’ and his own understanding (or misunderstanding) of same. It is this post that prompted me to write.

 

Mr. Joyce has stated,

 

“Postings on FOTH talk about imperialism at every turn, for some reason. I wanted to ask everyone, "What do you mean by it? Where is your evidence?"

 

The dictionary definitions of ‘imperialism’ essentially mean what I have written below. In a nutshell it is:

 

[The policy or actions taken by a nation in its own interests to influence other nations through military or economic coercion].

 

I am not sure what have the other contributors posted, but I think most would agree with the definition I have presented. The reason some may have talked about imperialism ‘at every turn’ (as Mr. Joyce has put it) as many of them may have had a first hand experience of being at the receiving end of what is considered to be the consequence of imperialistic hegemony.

 

When talking about imperialism, I think Mr. Joyce is limiting him to the old classical use of Japanese traditional style of referring to their Emperor’s government.

 

Describing postwar era and American-Japanese relationship, Mr. Joyce appears to be exceedingly patronizing towards America. Some one from another planet, if reading Mr. Joyce’s post, would be obliged to think that the Japanese should be indebted to the Americans for their (Japanese) industrial development. The matter of the fact is that Japan had a high percentage of highly educated workforce and nearly 99% literacy. To make a comparison, the American literacy rate today is about 97%. Japan was under American occupation after the WWII from 1945 to 1952. The country was totally destroyed during the war, not to mention the complete obliteration of two of its larger cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki used by the Americans for the ‘field trial’ of their earlier crop of the nuclear bombs. After WWII, the GNP data of the major countries involved in the war is shown in the Table below. Note the rate of the rise of the Japanese GNP.

 

 

 

Year

 

 

1951
1955
1960
1965
1970
1975
1980

Nominal GNP of Five Major Nations,

1951-1980 (amounts in US$ billion)

Japan

14.2
22.7
39.1
88.8
203.1
498.2
1,040.1

USA

328.4
398.0
503.8
688.1
992,7
1,549.2
2,633.1

W.Germany

28.5
43.0
70.7
115.1
184.6
418.2
816.5

France

35.1
49.2
60.0
99.2
145.5
339.0
657.1

Britain

41.4
53.9
71.9
100.2
124.0
234.5
525.5

 Taken From: http://www.jref.com/society/japan_postwar_economic_miracle.shtml

 

Most countries in the world have some kind of natural resources; Japan has none, not even coal. The Japanese society has a unique culture and work dynamics. A big change that the Japanese went through as a nation after the war was that the society opened up to the outside world.

 

[ Mr. Joyce may be well advised to read a book, titled: Theory Z, by William Ouchi. Theory Z augments the classic Theory X and Y, proposed by McGregor, a Socio-Psychologist in 1950s. Theory Z describes the Japanese work force, their zeal and unique organizational behaviour and comparison with the American workers. The book was published in early 1980s and may be out of print now, but some used copied may still be available through the major book distributors such as Amazon.ca/com etc.]

 

America did extend assistance to Japan as it did to W. Germany after the war but the real motivation for it was to keep these technologically advanced nations from joining the Communist bloc as the cold war had started the moment the WWII ended. During the first winter after the war, the Americans used dozens of DC3 aircrafts to supply coal to the Berliners to keep them warm and grateful to America. All this was done to keep them on their (American) side.

 

If one is looking for examples of imperialism, especially the American imperialism, then, post war American-Japanese or American-German relationship would be the wrong places to look for such examples. One has to look for American imperialism examples in Latin America, Iran and Iraq. There is a lot of information available in terms of books and articles which have appeared on the subject during the last five decades. There is ample of evidence of American imperialistic activities during this period. In fact American imperialism is out of control ever since the demise of USSR. I suspect others must have been referring to such examples when referring to ‘imperialism’. When talking about American imperialism, one cannot overlook the imperialistic ambitions mischief of its side kick Israel.

 

The imperialism in the present day environment will be of no value to America merely by occupying a country such as Japan that has no natural resources and does not have cheap labor. But the imperialism can be of value if a country like Iraq is occupied /controlled because of its huge oil deposits and cheap labor to work on the oil wells.

 

Another imperialism related story which has been unfolding since 9/11 is American interests in Afghanistan and Pakistani province of Balochistan. The average citizens of America and its affluent allies, naively think that the US/NATO forces are doing the world a big favor by spending its resources, both in terms of material and human life, looking for Ossama Bin Laden to save the world from him. In reality, America, using its military muscle is paving its way into the central Asia to get access to the Caspian region to make way for its oil/gas pipeline that it has been dreaming for about 20 years. That is another example of today’s imperialism in action.

 

It should be noted that now a days, imperialists are not interested in expanding their physical borders. Today, the imperialism is driven by economic and strategic needs.   

 

Mr. Joyce has further stated about Japan:

“The effect has been genuinely civilizing. Japan is a more harmonious nation than it was under the old imperial system.

 

I wonder, what does Mr. Joyce’s mean by “civilizing”? Are we to assume that Japan was an uncivilized country, until the war took place? Most societies have changed with time. Only 50 years ago, in some American states the whites would not allow a black person to sit in the front of the bus, but now they have elected one as their president. Also, they don’t have slaves now, while one time, slavery was a big business. In fact the country is more or less built with the slave blood and sweat. Similarly, Japan has changed too. It’s the technology and man’s natural evolution along with the technological development around the globe.

 

About Japan, Mr. Joyce further adds:

It long ago joined the family of civilized nations, and America can largely be thanked for that”

 

I am not aware if there is a family of civilized nations, perhaps he is referring to those nations which have been the imperialists during the last four centuries and have been plundering the natural resources of those who were militarily weaker and could not defend themselves. After acquiring affluence and technological development at the cost of others, they may have now declared themselves to be the ‘family of the civilized’. Perhaps, Mr. Joyce would like to elaborate this point.

 

May I remind Mr. Joyce that a few centuries ago there were highly developed societies in the Middle East when the Europeans were hard pressed to collect fire wood to keep warm, London England was a small town occupied by feudal lords. Bristol, England was a small fishing village only waiting for the New worlds like Americas and Australia to be discovered and the slave trade to begin to provide fuel to the imperialists machinery to colonize the world or a big chunk of it.

 

About the Saudi investments, Mr. Joyce has stated:

 

“the Great Satan has been sufficiently open economically to allow foreign investors of

an alien and sometimes hostile culture to own a huge slice of its insurance schemes,

its banks, its construction companies….a huge slice of its very self”.

 

Everyone loves to see investment money coming in from other countries, so the Great Satan is not doing any favors to the Saudis. Iran’s Shah was another one who had a few trillion dollars invested with the Great Satan. Where is this money now? Would the Iranians ever see those investments again? By the way, to add another example of imperialism, please read up on how CIA removed the democratically elected government in Iran and installed a stooge, the Shah. The story is interesting and full of intrigue. It is all about ‘imperialism’, designed for economic benefits. To assure the security of supply of oil is also an indirect economic benefit for the long run - a proactive action to ensure for the future.

 

Sincerely,

 

Javed I. Chaudry

Jan 25, 2009

 

 

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