SYED H. HAIDER, USA

Jan. 09, 2007
 

Thanks FOTH for this lively debate. While reading the contributions from the group I marveled at the diversity of opinion  the family of heart members have. As pro-Saddam far out number anti-Saddam members of the family I will like to take the side of under dogs. 
 
First I will seek the opinion of the Lion of pro-Saddam group Akber Choudhry who writes in the concluding Para of one of his rebuttal, I quote
 Saddam was a brutal dictator, yet he kept Iraq together, well-fed and literate, and he died bravely and did not flee, like Khomeini fled to France or Benazir fled to England.  That was the eulogy.  
 
Akber you mean to say if a brutal dictator keeps a country together, keeps them well-fed and literate his death should be lamented regardless how many death he is responsible for. Saddam is credited with 10 million Muslim’s death due to his misadventures and arrogance. If that is not enough for you to hold your eulogy then what figure will make you to say it is enough, 100 million 500 million, entire Muslim ummah? For me the death one innocent person is enough to put to sword the person responsible,  like it is done in Saudi Arabia. Islamic justice. Forgiveness only if victims relatives agree.
In your enthusiasm to glorify a despot and degrade Khomeini you have inadvertently blindsided a Great Personality (PBUH) who left his country of birth in the darkness of night by putting his cousin on his bed. I pray for your forgiveness and expect you to remorse on this un-intentional mistake. All of them sought refuge from tyranny and went to a safe place. to continue their mission. They did not flee. 
Like Shah of Iran no country was ready to accept Saddam the Lion whose mouth was dripping with blood of innocent men women and children. Please read some excerpts at the end. By the way are you the same person who wrote eulogy for that petty Jordanian thief and mass murderer of Muslims the Tiger Zarqawi? Forgive me if I am wrong
 
Now Javed Chaudry. who writes  The 160,000 uniformed terrorists did not invade Iraq to dole out justice. I wish there was a stronger military on earth to serve the same justice to those who have been providing ‘justice’ and ‘freedom’ to the Iraqis.
Good news for you Javed it has happened. When a Kurd mother looked towards the sky after her children died an excruciating death by gas poisoning in her lap and asked God for the justice, the God looked at impotent armies of Muslim countries and with heavy heart mobilized a Stronger Christian army to relieve Iraqi's from the group of tyrants who were keeping their countrymen well-fed with mustard gas. By the way God took same action by sending Mohammed Bin Qasim to Sindh.
Javed I hope you remember that these were the same uniformed terrorist who bombed their Christian brothers in Serbia and put their lives at stake to save Muslims of Kosovo. But we should not talk about such things as we will be branded anti-Muslim. Now a days to be a real Muslim you have to utter "I bear witness that there is no God except one God and Muhammad is God's prophet and I am anti west specially anti-USA."
 
 I thought Akber and Javed are staunch pro-Saddami but Tahir has topped them by far. Listen to what he writes.
"His potential for becoming a source of inspiration for resistance has overnight become global because he stood up to brutality unwavering till death.
 
SADDAM STOOD UP TO BRUTALITY UNWAVERING TILL DEATH!!!!!
 
What are you talking about. He is synonymous with brutality. Please check with Akber and Javed even they will hesitate to agree that Saddam stood up to brutality unwavering till death. Come on be reasonable Tahir.
 
Another interesting quote from Tahir Qazi
Far out into the history Saddam Hussein as a dead-man, more inspirational is he going to be in the hearts of people because he was the only one in the Muslim world who stared modern Imperialism in the face and bravely took hangman's noose around his neck.
 
Tahir if you mean he stared modern Imperialism in the face while his dental check was being done after he was pulled out of a rat hole with a bag full of imperial money. I will not deny that. Yes for a brief and un-noticeable moment he did stare at the face of imperial army's doctor I thought he stared at him because the doctor was checking the wrong tooth. But if it was act of bravery I too salute Saddam.
 
 
Anis Zuberi please just change the last word from enemies to Victims in your sentence below and you are OK
In death the it is defiant Saddam who took final revenge by humiliating his enemies.
 
Khaleel Siddiqi you hit the nail on the head, if all Iraqi's get united together the invaders will leave in no time. I guarentee that
 
Jantay hain sub Ishq musalsal roog hay aah ho zari hay
Phir bhi oskay kuchay main jatay hain jan gawan-nay loog
 
 
I enjoyed exchanging my views with you guys and hope I have not hurt anybody’s feeling. Keep up this lively family discussion. Thanks
 
Some excrepts
1.At the saddam's Inauguration firing squads made of cabinet members and other top officials initially gunned down 21 men, including five ministers. Iraq’s state radio said the officials executed their colleagues while “cheering for the long life of the Party, the Revolution and the Leader, President, Struggler, Saddam Hussein.”  NOT TRIED EVEN AT A KANGROO COURT
 
2.The city's 70,000 or so inhabitants, many of whom were refugees from outlying areas, had already been pounded for two days from the surrounding mountain heights by conventional artillery, mortars and rockets. Many families had spent the night in their basements to escape the bombs. When the gas came, however, that was the worst place to be since the toxic chemicals, heavier than air, concentrated in low-lying areas. Between and 4,000 and 5,000 people, almost all civilians, died either at the time or shortly thereafter.
Hewa, a university student, survived by covering his face with a wet cloth and taking to the mountains around the city. He says that Iraqi warplanes followed, dropping more chemical bombs. "I got some gas in my eyes and had trouble breathing. You always wanted to vomit and when you did, the vomit was green.15 He says he passed "hundreds" of dead bodies. Those around him died in a number of ways, suggesting a combination of toxic chemicals. Some "just dropped dead." Others "died of laughing." Others took a few minutes to die, first "burning and blistering" or "coughing up green vomit." Journalists noted that the lips of many corpses had turned blue. ALL OF THEM WERE WELL-FED AND LITERATE IRAQI MUSLIMS
 
Saddam’s use of chemical weapons against both military (Iran) and against civilians (both Iranian and Iraqis) is well documented. One of the most horrifying acts of Saddam was his ordering of chemical attack on Kurdish civilians in the town of Halabja. In this incident, more than 5000 Iraqis (men, women and children) were killed in a few hours.

In his book , “Eastern Gate Ruins”, General Wafiq Al Samarae the former director of the Iraqi Intelligence Service admits that Saddam’s government used chemical weapons against Iraqi people in the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala to crush the popular uprising of March 1991 which followed the defeat of Saddam in invading Kuwait. Saddam also used chemical weapons against its citizens in the marshes in the southern Iraq.

Among thousands of executions and assassinations, he was also responsible for the killing of Sunni Religious leaders such as Abdul Aziz Al Badri the Imam of Dragh district mosque in Baghdad, Al Shaikh Nadhum Al Asi from Ubaid tribe in Northern Iraq, Al Shiakh Al Shahrazori, Al Shaikh Umar Shaqlawa, Al Shiakh Rami Al Kirkukly, Al Shiakh Mohamad Shafeeq Al Badri, Abdul Ghani Shindala, etc etc.

Invasions of Iran and Kuwait also resulted in deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, not to mention Iranians and Kuwaitis. When one considers the number of people killed and magnitude of Saddam’s crimes, one wonders why he was tried and executed for killing 148 Shi’ites in 1982. Considering the extensive documentation that exists, surely it was not difficult to prove the use of Chemical weapons on Halabja.
 
 
DON'T TELL ME THAT ALL ABOVE IS FABRICATED BY MUSSAD AND CIA TO MALIGN A GREAT ISLAMIC AND ARAB LEADER

Syed H. Haider