"CAN WE SAY GOODBYE TO GOD?"

FAMILY OF THE HEART SEMINAR, SEPTEMBER 04, 2005

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425
AKHTAR SHERAZI

TO RAFI AMMER & JAVED CH.

POST # 424
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424
RAFI AAMER To JAVED CH. & AKHATAR SHERAZI

POST # 423

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423
AKHTAR SHERAZI

TO RAFI AMMER & JAVED CH.

POST # 421
05
   
422
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO RAFI AMMER

POST # 421
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RAFI AAMER To JAVED CHAUDRY

POST # 420

46 
   
420
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO RAFI AMMER

POST # 416
67
   
419
RAFO AMMER JAVED CHAUDRY

POST # 418

45 
   
418
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO FOTH & Rafi Ammer

POST # 416
66
   
417
RAFI AAMER JAVED CHAUDRY

POST # 415

44 
   
416
RAFI AAMER AKHTAR SHERAZI

POST # 413

43 
   
415
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO FOTH

 
65
414
RASHEED NADEEM

 TO FOTH

 

12
413
AKHTAR SHERAZI

TO RASHEED & JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY

 
04
   
412
AZIZ AHMAD

 To Akhtar Shirazi and Rashid Mughal

 
15
   
411
RASHID MUGHAL

TO AKHTAR SHERAZI

POST # 403
32
   
410
FEROZ KARMALLY

AZIZ AHMAD

  POST # 408
61
   
409
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO AZIZ AHMAD

POST # 408
64
   
408
AZIZ AHMAD

 

Has the "Great Debate" run out of steam?
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407
AKHTAR SHERAZI

TO RASHID MUGHAL

POST # 403
03
   
406
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO RAFI AAMER

POST # 405
63
   
405
Rafi Aamer Intermediate Fossil Found.

42 
404
RASHEED NADEEM

 TO AKHTAR SHERAZI

 
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403
RASHID MUGHAL

TO AKHTAR SHERAZI

POST # 400
31
   
402
FEROZ KARMALLY

AZIZ AHMAD

  POST # 401
60
   
401
AZIZ AHMAD

  TO FOTH

Tennis Match
13
   
400
AKHTAR SHIRAZI

TO FOTH - PART 2

POST # 264

02
   
399
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO FOTH

POST # 398
62
   
398
SHAHZAD A. TANWIR

FOTH

CAN WE SAY GOODBYE?
01
   
397
FEROZ KARMALLY

RASHID MUGHAL

  POST # 396
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RASHID MUGHAL

THE END OF FAITH

POST # 355
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395
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

BOOK REVIEW- The End of Faith

Author:  Sam Harris

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394
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO RAFI AAMER

POST # 389
60
   
393
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO AZIZ AHMAD

POST # 390
59
   
392
MOHAMMAD GILL

 TO ABID FAROOQ

  POST # 391
20
   
391
ABID FAROOQ

 MOHAMMAD GILL, (MI)

POST # 305
04
   
390
AZIZ AHMAD

  TO JAVED I. CHAUDRY

POST # 387
12
   
389
Rafi Aamer To Javed I. Chaudry 

41 
 
388
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO RASHEED NADEEM

POST # 385
58
   
387
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO AZIZ AHMAD

POST # 384
57
   
386
NAUROZ A. WEIN

  TO JAVED I. CHAUDRY

POST # 386
03
385
RASHEED NADEEM

 FOTH

 
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384
AZIZ AHMAD

 TO AKRAM MAHMOOD

POST # 372
11
   
383
JAWAID CHAUDHRY

 GOD IS MERCIFUL

JOKE
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382
AKRAM MAHMOOD

FOTH

01
   
381
FEROZ KARMALLY

HASAN N. MIRZA

  POST # 372
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JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO ASKARI NAQVI

POST # 379
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ASKARI NAQVI TO JAVED CHAUDRY

POST # 376
13
   
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Rafi Aamer To Javed I. Chaudry & Mr. Jawaid Virk

  POST # 377

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JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO JAWAID VIRK

POST # 371
55
   
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JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO RAFI AMER

POST # 373
54
   
375
HASAN N. MIRZA  FEROZ KARMALLY

POST # 372
04
   
374
RASHID MUGHAL TO FOTH

POST # 372
29
   
373
Rafi Aamer To Javed I. Chaudry

  POST # 367

39 
 
372
FEROZ KARMALLY

HASAN N. MIRZA

  POST # 369
57
   
371
JAWAID CHAUDHRY

 To Javed I. Chaudry

POST # 367
35
   
370
RASHID MUGHAL TO FOTH

 
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369 
HASAN N. MIRZA  FEROZ KARMALLY

POST # 361
03
368
RASHEED NADEEM

To Abdul Mutaal Mooquin

09
367
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO RAFI AMER

POST # 360
53
   
366
JAWAID CHAUDHRY

 To FAMILY OF THE HEART

POST # 358
34
   
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Abdul Mutaal Mooquin    To Rafi Aamer

  POST # 362
05
   
364
AKBER HUSSAIN  To Abdul Mutaal Mooquin

  POST # 358
05
     
363
FEROZ KARMALLY

To Abdul Mutaal Mooquin

  POST # 358
56
 
   

 
 
362
Rafi Aamer To Abdul Mutaal Mooquin

  POST # 358

38 
 
361
FEROZ KARMALLY

HASAN N. MIRZA

  POST # 359
55
   
360
Rafi Aamer Javed I. Chaudry

The Cosmological Argument

37 
 
359 
HASAN N. MIRZA  FEROZ KARMALLY

POST # 348
02
   
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ABDUL M. MOOQUIN TO FOTH & RASHEED N.

POST # 290
04
   
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FEROZ KARMALLY

TO RASHID MUGHAL

  POST # 350
54
 
   

 
 
356
MOHAMMAD GILL

TO JAVED I CHAUDRY

  POST # 346
19
 
   

 
 
355
RASHID MUGHAL TO FOTH

 
27
 
   

 
 
354
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO RAFI AMER

POST # 351
52
 
   

 
 
353
 SULTAN-UZ-ZAFAR TO FARZANA HASSAN

POST # 291
01
 
   

 
 
352
JAWAID CHAUDHRY

 To Javed I. Chaudry

POST # 346
33
 
   

 
 
351
Rafi Aamer To Javed I. Chaudry

 

36 
 
350
RASHID MUGHAL TO FEROZ KARMALLY

  POST # 342
26
     
349
FEROZ KARMALLY

TO JAVED CHAUDRY

 
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348
FEROZ KARMALLY

TO RAFI AAMER

POST # 344
52
     
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FEROZ KARMALLY

TO RASHID MUGHAL

POST # 343
51
     
346
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO FOTH

POST # 322
51
     
345
JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO RAFI AAMER

POST # 335
50
     
344 Rafi Aamer To FEROZ KARMALLY

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343
RASHID MUGHAL TO FEROZ KARMALLY

  POST # 342
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FEROZ KARMALLY

TO RAFI AAMER

POST # 335
50
     
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JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO JAWAID CHAUDHRY VIRK

POST # 339
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JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO MASUD SHEIKH

POST # 326
48
     
339
JAWAID CHAUDHRY

 TO FOTH

POST # 304
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JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO DR. S. Q. NIZAMI

POST # 327
47
   
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JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO RAFI AAMER

POST # 336
46
     
 

FAMILY OF THE HEART -  NEW DEVELOPMENT

 
336 Rafi Aamer To Javed I. Chaudry

34 
 
335 Rafi Aamer - Response to Mr. Karmally.

33 
 
334
ASKARI NAQVI TO JAWAID CHAUDHRY

POST # 328
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RASHID MUGHAL TO MOHAMMAD GILL

 

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JAVED I. CHAUDRY

TO NAUROZ A. WEIN

POST # 312
45
   
331
MOHAMMAD GILL

TO RAHID MUGHAL

  POST # 330
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RASHID MUGHAL TO MASOOD SHEIKH

 

23
   
329
DR. TAHIR M. QAZI

 FOR FOTH

EXISTTENCE OF GOD
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JAWAID CHAUDHRY

 TO ASKARI NAQVI

POST # 306
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DR. S. Q. NIZAMI

 TO DR. KHALID SOHAIL

TIME TO WELCOME
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MASUD SHEIKH

 TO RASHID MUGHAL

POST # 310
04
   
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JAWAID CHAUDHRY

 TO RASHID MUGHAL

 POST # 295
30
   
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JAWAID CHAUDHRY

 TO RAFI AAMER

 POST # 296
29
   
323
JAVED I CHAUDRY

 TO F. KARMALLY

 POST # 314
44
   
322
JAVED I CHAUDRY

 TO FOTH

EXISTENCE OF GOD
43
   
321
RASHID MUGHAL TO MASOOD SHEIKH

   POST # 310
22
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RASHEED NADEEM

TO MASOOD MUNAWAR

 

08
319
MASOOD MUNAWER

TO FOTH

 
05
318
RASHID MUGHAL TO RASHID NADEEM

   POST # 311
21
   
317
AZIZ AHMAD

 TO FOTH

"Aristotle for Dummies"
10
   
316
MOHAMMAD GILL

 TO QUARIN AHMAD

  POST # 315
17
   
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QUARIN AHMAD

TO FOTH

 for Membership Cancellation
05
   
314
FEROZ KARMALLY

  JAVED I CHAUDRY

POST # 306
49
   
313
AFZAAL NAVEED

  TO FOTH

"Family of Searchers/students/heart"
02
   
312
NAUROZ A. WEIN

  TO FOTH

PERSONAL & SPIRITUAL GROWTH
02
   
311
RASEED NADEEM

  TO FOTH

WHAT IS THERE...IS THERE
07
   
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MASUD SHEIKH

  TO RASHID MUGHAL

POST # 292
03
   
309
JAVED I CHAUDRY

  TO MOHAMMAD GILL

FOTH

42
   
308
FEROZ KARMALLY

  GOODBYE TO GOD

FOTH
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RASHID MUGHAL TO FOTH   post by Mr. Shirazi
20
   
306 ASKARI NAQVI TO FOTH - The catch of imagination, belief and reality - Undoing God 11
   
305
MOHAMMAD GILL, (MI)

 TO ABID FAROOQ

  POST # 300
16
   
304
JAVED I CHAUDRY

 FOR RAFI A. & QUARIN A.

  POST # 298
41
   
303
JAVED I CHAUDRY

 FOR FOTH

 
40
   
302 Rafi Aamer to Abid Farooq

32 
 
301
JAVED I CHAUDRY

 FOR RASHID MUGHAL

  POST # 292
39
   
300
ABID FAROOQ

 FAMILY OF THE HEART

FOTH
03
   
299 Rafi Aamer to QUARIN AHMAD

31 
 
298 QUARIN AHMAD,  "DOES GOD REALLY EXIST" TO A. RAFI & M. GILL 04
   
297
MASOOD MUNAWER

FOTH

CARVAN.CA
04
   
296 Rafi Aamer to JAWAID VIRK& RASHID MUGHAL

30 
 
295
RASHID MUGHAL TO JAWAID VIRK  
19
   
294 AZIZ AHMAD (NY.), "LIKE WATCHING TENNIS MATCH" TO FOTH 09
   
293 JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY [VIRK] TO FOTH                28
   
292
RASHID MUGHAL TO FOTH Can We Really Say Goodbye To God?  
18
   
291
FARZANA HASSAN

 FOR AKHTAR SHERAZI

  POST # 264
02
   
290
RASHEED NADEEM

 FOR AKHTAR SHERAZI

 
06
   
289 FEROZ KARMALLY TO RAFI AAMER                             POST # 284 47
   
288
DR. TAHIR M. QAZI

 FOR AKHTAR SHERAZI

  POST # 264
13
   
287
JAVED I CHAUDRY

 FOR AZIZ AHMAD

  POST # 281
38
   
286
 AZIZ AHMAD ABID FAROOQI

POST # 280
08
   
285 Rafi Aamer to Akhtar Shirazi                                                         POST # 264

29 
 
284 Rafi Aamer to Feroz Karmally                                                       POST # 245

28 
 
283 MOHAMMAD GILL, (MI) to ABID FAROOQI                                POST # 280 15
   
 282
RASHID MUGHAL TO ABID FAROOQI             POST # 280
17
   
281 AZIZ AHMAD (New York),      TO JAVED CHAUDRY 07
   
280
ABID FAROOQI

 FAMILY OF THE HEART

 
02
   
279
RASHEED NADEEM

 FOR AKHTAR SHERAZI

  POST # 264
05
   
278
JAVED I CHAUDRY

 FOR AZIZ AHMAD

  POST # 271
37
   
277 FEROZ KARMALLY TO AKHTAR SHERAZI                                  POST # 257 46
   
276 FEROZ KARMALLY TO RASHID MUGHAL                                     POST # 264 45
   
275 JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY [VIRK] TO AKHTAR SHERAZI              POST # 264 27
   
274
AFZAAL NAVEED

 FOR AKHTAR SHERAZI

  POST # 264
01
   
273
MASOOD MUNAWER

 FOR AKHTAR SHERAZI

  POST # 264
03
   
272 MOHAMMAD GILL, (MI) to AKHTAR SHERAZI                            POST # 264 14
   
271 AZIZ AHMAD (New York),      TO FOTH 06
   
270 FEROZ KARMALLY  TO  ASKARI NAQVI -   44
   
269 RASHID MUGHAL - TO AKHTAR SHERAZI                                   POST # 257 16
   
268 RUBINA FAISAL TO RASHEED NADEEM  & A. SHERAZI                   POST # 264 03
   
267 JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY [VIRK] TO AKHTAR SHERAZI              POST # 264 26
   
266 JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY [VIRK] TO DR. TAHIR M. QAZI 25
   
265 RASHID MUGHAL - TO AKHTAR SHERAZI                                   POST # 264 15
       
264 AKHTAR SHERAZI                                                   FAMILY OF THE HEART   02
263 JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY [VIRK] TO Muhammad Mubashar 24
   
262 DR. TAHIR M. QAZI TO  JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY [VIRK] 12
   
261 MUHAMMAD MUBASHR TO  RAFI AAMER 03 
   
260 ASKARI NAQVI,  " IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" TO  FEROZ KARMALLY 10
   
259

04
  RASHID NADEEM                                                    TO RUBINA FAISAL  
258 DR. TAHIR M. QAZI TO  MASUD MUNAWER 11
257

HAS BEED REMOVED.

  
256 JAVED I. CHAUDRY TO ZIAUDDIN AHMED "MODERATOR OF SEMINAR" 36
   
255 JAVED I. CHAUDRY TO AZIZ AHMED & FOTH 35
   
254 JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY [VIRK] TO DR. TAHIR M. QAZI  "WE MUST CHANGE THE WORLD" 23
253
MASOOD MUNAWER

 FOR TAHIR QAZI

 

02
252 AZIZ AHMAD (NY.),     TO Javed Chaudry, Rafi AAMER & FOTH 05
251
ABDUL M. MOOQUIN

 FOR RASHEED NADEEM

 
 
250 Rafi Aamer to AZIZ AHMAD

27 
 
249 DR. TAHIR M. QAZI TO  MASUD MUNAWER 10
   
248 JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY [VIRK] TO TAHIR QAZI AND FOTH  22
   
247 RASHID MUGHAL - TO END OR NOT TO END THIS... 14
 
246 FEROZ KARMALLY  TO  ASKARI NAQVI - Closing Reply 43
   
245 FEROZ KARMALLY  TO  RAFI AAMER - Closing Reply 42
   
244 FEROZ KARMALLY  TO  RAFI AAMER 41
   
243 Rafi Aamer to FOTH - Clarification

26 
 
242 JAVED I. CHAUDRY TO AZIZ AHMED & FOTH 34
   
241 AZIZ AHMAD (NY.),     "TENNIS MATCH OVER" TO FOTH 04
   
240 DR. TAHIR M. QAZI TO  FOTH 09
   
239 Rafi Aamer to Khalid Sohail, Ziauddin Ahmad and FOTH

25 
 
238
KHALID SOHAIL

"FOR AHMED SALMAN"

 
18
   
237 JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY [VIRK] TO FOTH - PLEASE KEEP AAMER 21
   
236 ZIAUDDIN AHMED (MODERATOR) TO FOTH - SEMINAR CLOSURE 04
   
235 Khalid Sohail to FOTH - A HUMBLE SUGGESTION

17
 
234 Rafi Aamer to Khalid Sohail, Pervaiz and Ziauddin Ahmad

24 
 
233 Rafi Aamer to Muhammad Mubashar

23 
 
232 SUBUHI ANSARI FOR RASHEED NADEEM AND FOTH 02
   
231
AHMED SALMAN

 "FOR KHALID SOHAIL"

 
02
   
230 NAJMA KAUSER TO RAFI AAMER  02
   
229 MUHAMMAD MUBASHR TO FAMILY OF THE HEART 02 
 
228
RASHID NADEEM

TO KHALID SOHAIL

03 
 
227 JAVED I. CHAUDRY,  TO, JANAID SAID 33
   
226 MUHAMMAD MUBASHR TO FAMILY OF THE HEART 01 
   
225 AZIZ AHMAD (NY.),     "TENNIS MATCH OVER"     TO FOTH 03
224
RASHEED NADEEM

 

02 
223
MASOOD MUNAWER

TO KHALID SOHAIL

 
222 JAVED I. CHAUDRY,  TO, JAWAID a. chaudhry [virk] 32
   
221 Khalid Sohail to the moderator and FOTH

16
 
220 Rafi Aamer to Feroz Karmally

22 
 
219 Rafi Aamer  "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" to Feroz Karmally

21 
   
218 MOHAMMAD GILL, (MI) "Does God Exist?" 13
 
217 RASHID MUGHAL TO KHALID SOHAIL 13
 
216 Rafi Aamer to Najma Kausar

20 
 
215 ASKARI NAQVI,  " IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" TO  FEROZ KARMALLY 09
   
214
RUBINA FAISAL

"FOR RASHEED NADEEM"

 
02 
   
213 MOHAMMED ILYAS "CAN WE SAY GOODBYE TO GOD?"

02
   
212 JAWAID CH. [VIRK]. "REPLY TO POST # 208", TO JAVED CHAUDRY

20
   
211 FEROZ KARMALLY  TO  ASKARI NAQVI 40
   
210

 "SHARING - PHILOSOPHICAL AND PSYCHIATRIC POINTS OF VIEW"  DR. KHALID SOHAIL TO JAVED I. CHAUDRY

 15
   
209 FEROZ KARMALLY, "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" TO RAFI AAMER 39
     
208 JAVED I. CHAUDRY, "...TEA AND COFFEE IS READY :)",  TO, JAWAID CH. 31
   
207 ABDUL M. MOOQUIN, FOR FAMILY OF THE HEART  
   
206 JUNAID SAID, "SAYING GOODBYE TO GOD?", TO FAMILY OF HEART 02
205
NAJMA KAUSER

"TO FAMILY OF THE HEART"

 01
204
RAFI AAMER,

"TO RASHEED NADEEM"

19 
203
KHALID SOHAIL

"TO DR. TAHIR M. QAZI"

 
14
202 ASKARI NAQVI,  " IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" TO  FEROZ KARMALLY 08
     
201 RAFI AAMER, "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" TO FEROZ KARMALLY 18
   
200 ASKARI NAQVI,  "DOES GOD REALLY EXIST" TO RUBINA FAISAL 07
   
199 FEROZ KARMALLY, "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" TO RAFI AAMER 38
198
RASHEED NADEEM

 "RUBINA FAISAL."

 
197 JAVED I. CHAUDRY, ".SAY GOODBYE TO GOD?", TO FOTH 30
   
196 JAVED I. CHAUDRY, ".SAY GOODBYE TO GOD?", TO DR. K. SOHAIL 29
   
195 RAFI AAMER, "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" TO FEROZ KARMALLY 17
   
194 FEROZ KARMALLY, ".WATCHING TENNIS MATCH" TO AZIZ AHMED 37
   
193 JAVED I. CHAUDRY, ".SAY GOODBYE TO GOD?", TO RUBINA F. 28
   
192 DR. TAHIR M. QAZI, "SCRIPTURES ...WISDOM AND FOLKLORE LITERATURE", TO DR. KHALID SOHAIL 08
   
191 FEROZ KARMALLY, "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" TO JAWAID CHAUDHRY. 36
190
KHALID SOHAIL

"FOR AHMED SULMAN"

01
189
AHMAD SULMAN

 "FOR KHALID SOHAIL"

13
188 JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY VIRK. "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE", TAHIR QAZI

19
   
187 JAFFAR RAZA, "CAN WE SAY GOODBYE TO GOD?", FOTH

 
186 RUBINA FAISAL (SUNDAY TIMES)                     01
185 DR. KHALID SOHAIL, "SECULAR POINTS OF VIEW" TO DR. TAHIR QAZI 12
   
184 JAWAID A. CHAUDHRY VIRK. "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE", Feroz

18
   
183 DR. TAHIR M. QAZI, "SCRIPTURES ...WISDOM AND FOLKLORE LITERATURE", TO DR. KHALID SOHAIL 07
   
182 FEROZ KARMALLY, "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE"TO AAMER & JAVED 35
181 ANONYMOUS  "" TO FOTH 01
180 AZIZ AHMAD (NY.), "LIKE WATCHING TENNIS MATCH" TO FOTH 02
   
179 JAVED I. CHAUDRY, "A DAY IN A BELIEVER'S LIFE" TO DR. SOHAIL 27
   
178 DR. KHALID SOHAIL, "SECULAR POINTS OF VIEW" TO JAVED I.CH. 11
   
177 DR. KHALID SOHAIL, "ULTIMATE TRUTH", TO FEROZ KARMALLY 10
   
176 MOHAMMAD GILL, (MI) "INTELLIGENT DESIGN II", TO FOTH